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Aug
2008
Posted by Charles Heflin as social media marketing

Social media and the word “marketing” used together in the same sentence has become a subject of controversy, confusion and profiteering. This post is part 3 in a series dedicated to helping everyone understand social media based on actual tested results as they apply to marketing. In the last post in this series I covered the main reasons why your return on effort in social media yields poor results (sucks). This post is a continuation of the series.
Recently Chris Brogan gave us a simple example of how social media can be used for marketing purposes. In continuing my series here I will expand on this idea in an attempt to show some specific strategies that we have been using for years to garner traffic, action and sales from the social media space… Some call this Social Media Marketing… We like to call it Social Media Networking… There is a difference.
Many times results from social media are indirect either through branding (your name or company) through social channels which also leads to an increase in search engine visibility. Traditionally the traffic from social networks has been reported to convert poorly and yield little to no result. This post and the last one are designed to show you why. This post in particular is designed to show you what you can do about it.
How can you achieve traffic, action and sales from social media marketing? The following video gives a basic overview of a process that we have used with success on various projects:
Depending on your business this approach may or may not be appropriate. The “social nature” of your information also plays an integral role in your success or failure in social media. If you sell paper clips (highly non social) then you will have to get creative in order to create content that follows the 3 E’s of social media content … Educational, Entertaining or Enlightening. The popular “Elf Yourself” campaign from Office Max is a prime example of taking a non-social brand (office products) and creating a highly social application that appeals to the masses and brands Office Max (paper clips) at the same time. If you are in a non social niche then you will have to get creative in social media in order to gain mind share. Just remember the 3 E’s in your content delivery.
My initial (and continued) success with SEO20/20 and CharlesHeflin.com was derived by using the strategy depicted in the video. I have also successfully marketed products by building community using social networks and then rallying them to a new product promotions.
Following is some evidence of the effect garnered by using the process above:

These are results from seo2020.com using social networks to drive traffic, action and sales for a product I was selling on SEO Siloing called “The Master Plan” which continues to sell to this day. All traffic was derived through building community by providing educational material … much like I am doing now. I offered a free report called “The Plan” as the “hook” which has gained thousands of loyal opt-in subscribers over the past 2 years. These subscribers eventually led to sales of The Master Plan. This was a planned strategy (as depicted in the video) to use social networks to produce traffic, action (opt-ins) and sales from opt-ins.
The following screen shot shows how this effected overall traffic levels (through Alexa rank) through the crowdsourcing phenomenon. These graphics are shown mainly to show you that, despite others’ claims, traffic from social media networks does convert IF (and it’s a BIG IF) you take the time to build true relationships within social communities first.

As a social media consultant I am finding that many corporations don’t understand this type of grass roots networking and I am constantly challenged to find ways to easily get this understanding across. The major point to note is that I never sold anything to the communities that I have built using social networks. All the money I have earned comes from people selling themselves which only occurs after trust is established as discussed in the post before this one. The effectiveness of this strategy is directly tied to your willingness to establish true relationships with your target audience. In any case, as stated by Gary Vaynerchuk, anything you do in social media to establish community and community building is “better than ZERO“. Community is the operative word here… forget community and you may as well forget about social media as a marketing platform.
Many social marketing practitioners tend to look at social media marketing from an SEO perspective. They look at it as a way to garner incoming links (link love) to enhance their search engine ranking in an effort to produce traffic, action and sales. Please understand that I do not condone this method and don’t use it. We have tested it (we have several running case studies), while it is still somewhat effective, we are seeing a decline in its effectiveness and that is the subject of the next post in this series. I am not saying that social media interaction does not positively effect search engine rankings … It absolutely does… What I am saying is that using social media solely to increase rankings (ignoring community) leaves a footprint that is easy to spot… Do you think the engineers at Google are aware of it? … Do you think penalties are on the way? Do you think they are already occurring?
Have you been successful in marketing in social media? Please share your experience and strategies… This should make for an interesting and educational discussion…
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18 Responses
Russell
August 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
1Hi Charles,
You still need to get eyeballs to your offer/material in the first place before you can establish a connection this seems to be the hardest part, getting traction. You say
“as a way to garner incoming links (link love) to enhance their search engine ranking in an effort to produce traffic, action and sales. Please understand that I do not condone this method and don’t use it.”
Apart from ppc how do you get the traffic if not to use social media networks ( obviously I am talking about decent content not spam ad sense sites etc )
Rob
August 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
2The problem with Social Media Marketing(/Networking) is that once it became popular as a way for internet marketers to exploit, it almost instantly because much less useful.
Part of the reason is the plethora of new social media sites that crop up daily that suck eyeballs and time away from what used to be more ‘centralized’ hubs of social activity, thereby diluting the impact any one community might have.
Another part of the picture is the similarity to what happened with banner ads over time - people became accustomed to them and now a lot of the ‘marketing’ done in the social space is largely ignored, or worse - offensive to those on the network.
Is it dead (yet)? No - but there appears to be a law of diminishing returns going on at an accelerated pace.
There is no substitute for social networking, so more unobtrusive ways of introducing a product/service/brand, etc. is going to become the ‘holy grail’ IMHO. Until, of course, the ‘next big thing’ comes along.
The above is just MY experience, so take it with a grain of salt.
Charles
August 28th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
3@Russell
“You still need to get eyeballs to your offer/material in the first place before you can establish a connection this seems to be the hardest part, getting traction. You say”
This is why you begin networking in your target communities. The first hurdle is determining where your target communities are… Once you are in there you need to listen to the conversations for a while to learn their mannerisms, industry education level, etc. Then you can plan a content strategy that will be timely and highly valuable. From this point you will rise up from the noise and become a player in your niche.
There is also the flipside… networking with those that are already at the top of your industry, gain their trust and build community with them… see my last post in this series here: http://www.charlesheflin.com/roi-in-social-media/ … this is how you begin gaining mention and incoming links from those who already have the mind share of your target audience.
You also asked … “Apart from ppc how do you get the traffic if not to use social media networks ( obviously I am talking about decent content not spam ad sense sites etc )”
Traffic will also come from search engine visibility and higher rankings in the SERPs due to the fact that your content is aggregated/syndicated by your communities. This will also work to increase your traffic through word-of-mouth.
The main focus here is good content in whatever form you can produce it… then everything else just happens naturally … This is the way the Internet was supposed to be all along … the web is quickly becoming a mature adult.
Thank you for your comments.
George Manlangit
August 28th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
4From my experience, I would agree that traffic from Social Networking sites does not convert. However, if you are viewed as someone that provides value, you are rewarded with visits to your links posted on your profile. While a large percentage of this links maybe promotional in nature, a large portion do take the next step of capturing their audience to further establishment of trust. And I think this is where corporate websites are missing out big time. Look at most of those sites and they don’t have a clue what email marketing with autoresponder is. In this case, your ARS. There’s much ado about traffic. But most importantly, how to turn those visits into dollars.
It’s pretty much like malls. You do get a lot of window shoppers going to your area. However, how many of those window shoppers would eventually go in and check out something inside. And when they do get inside, what do the stores (people and all) do to make those people eventually buy something?
You establish an activity hub, provide a hook (FREEmium), then slowly work them thru the funnel. The experience that the user have on the hub will dictate if he will bite the hook. That’s the key - User Experience.
Charles
August 28th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
5@Rob
You said … “The problem with Social Media Marketing(/Networking) is that once it became popular as a way for internet marketers to exploit, it almost instantly because much less useful.”
That is true within reason … It depends on your engagement strategy and if you are able to successfully rise above the noise. Building true relationships is time consuming but well worth the effort because of the compounding effect of community through the distribution of high quality material… you will rise above the crowd through persistence and through the building of relationships.
You also said … “Part of the reason is the plethora of new social media sites that crop up daily that suck eyeballs and time away from what used to be more ‘centralized’ hubs of social activity, thereby diluting the impact any one community might have.”
This is also true within reason … I believe that we are in a huge bubble of social technology that is going to burst very soon. Only the largest networks will survive so this situation will correct itself and I’m glad to see it on the horizon.
You also said … “Another part of the picture is the similarity to what happened with banner ads over time - people became accustomed to them and now a lot of the ‘marketing’ done in the social space is largely ignored, or worse - offensive to those on the network.”
This is why social media marketing is a bad word … social media networking is the operative phrase here.
You also said … “There is no substitute for social networking, so more unobtrusive ways of introducing a product/service/brand, etc. is going to become the ‘holy grail’ IMHO. Until, of course, the ‘next big thing’ comes along.”
You are dead on with that statement … This series is being designed to shed light on this fact… One cool thing about social media is that it is directly tied to and born from humans so it will never go anywhere… This is not a fad or temporary trend, it is an evolution of technology that seeks to become more an more like we are in the offline world.
Thank you for your comments … it is interesting to see where everyone sits in the social media space.
Charles
August 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
6@George Manlangit
You said … “The experience that the user have on the hub will dictate if he will bite the hook. That’s the key - User Experience.”
- That is so true and effectively sums up a point I have been trying to get across to Internet marketers for a long time now.
Thank you for breaking it down like that … very cool perspective.
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August 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
7[...] Heflin has a link worthy blog post entitled “Traffic From Social Networks Does Not Convert!” This is post 3 in a series on social media based on Charles’s own test results. Charles talks [...]
Geek Mother
August 29th, 2008 at 3:40 am
8There are way too many people that still believe that if they buy the ‘right’ IM marketing package that they will be able to click the odd button or two, once in a blue moon, sit back, wait for the money to roll in and retire! The reality is that with any business, real or virtual, the more that you put into it then the more that you will get out of it. So choose the right social media network in the context of whatever you are offering, be it a service or product, put some effort in and IF you have considered your objectives properly then you may well get something for your efforts.
It seems that IM in certain areas has shifted towards a cult mentality focussed on the respective guru with the gurus cross promoting their look how wonderful my guru chum is whereas they are as much as a guru as I am - they re fantastically skilled in the art of ‘wallet opening’, which I am not! I do not include you in this new style of guru club, yet!
the devil's in the details
August 29th, 2008 at 4:04 am
9Hi guys n gals knowledge seekers all … thanks for this very cool insiders view on this kind of topic tactic … myself every time I think of any marketing tactics online even off line … Google’s mantra always pops up in my head … well its really there mission statement …. simply put but not always simply understood … NO EVIL … yes thats it … Simply PUT!!!
All my best to you and your mission statement
Phillip Skinner
Nciholas
August 29th, 2008 at 4:41 am
10Thanks for the post, and thanks for the comments guys, very informative. It is all in the User Experience, listening to the window shopper, why are they walking past and not coming in, and if they come in, why are they not buying, and if they are buying, what else can I do? Specific questions, detailed questions.
Charles, I guess the networking is important, but what do you have in place before you start this networking process? Is there a domain up and running before you start? Or do you first do the networking in some way to determine if the project would be feasible?
Thanks
Glen Crosier
August 29th, 2008 at 5:07 am
11Hi Charles
Thanks so much for these posts. I’m finding your work fascinating and extremely valuable, appreciate it…
I’d like to share my strategies to date mainly using a combination of Facebook and Twitter. Although I’ve found it impossible to answer “how long does it take to build trust” it’s nevertheless a question that I frequently have a go at trying to figure out…
A few indicators I’d offer to how you measure trust and overall effectiveness
of your social networking strategy:
1. Number of comments received
2. The tone and nature of the feedback
3. The number of requests for help/further information
4. Attention from industry leaders in your niche
5. The number of personal messages received
6. The viral factor - how many people are voluntarily sharing your content
7. You’re mentioned by others in their posts, comments
Accepting that “ROI is directly proportional to the time it takes to achieve trust” my approach has been to establish
* A “core group” of friends and invest time building genuine valuable relationships
* post content initially that people want to talk about and present with an informative, thoughful approach and ask my core group to get involved by commenting, sharing with their group, etc
* Monitor patterns based on points 1-7
* Introduce new content that still has a high “sociability factor” but more problem with some basic outline of the solution which encourages people to check out how you can help out more. This is the point I’ll invite people over to my sites.
Ok this has been successful, however my challenge is scalability - any success has been down to the depth of the relationships built with people - this can be time consuming however I believe as you suggest that over time the ROI will benefit from the compounding effect caused by an ever growing network and the increased bonds that occur naturally with the passing of time.
Cheers
Glen Crosier
Brighton, UK
PS. Not sure of the rules for posting links on this blog but I have posted an article on Facebook this week exploring the amount of time we need to spend on personal relationships Vs communication en masse. I also take a peek into Gary Vaynerchuk’s
“personal contact” habits over a 24 hour period…
http://tinyurl.com/643gyg
Dave Saunders
August 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
12@rob if that was true, all forms of marketing would stop because “too many people are using it.” This just doesn’t wash. When people are authentic they will always find a connection and will always find more than enough of a following to make a great contribution and to receive many rewards because of it.
Tom Rozof
August 30th, 2008 at 2:08 am
13Charles,
I came to know you through your first “Plan” book. Then when I because friends with Russell Wright of ThemeZoom he led me to many of your other writings. So, first let me say “thanks” for all your work in this area of social media.
Now to my small contribution to this blog topic: Anyone who has tried to monetize social networks will quickly find that there is a whole new set of rules that aren’t really new but are much more focused and applied than every before. Can it happen? Yes, and it will more and more as together we learn these new online social protocols. Why? Because at the heart of all human transactions, including the act of buying something, lies a social dimension.
These first attempts are meeting with the same learning process (resistance) as those who came online in the nineties tying to use the internet as a sales avenue. In the very early days, back in late 60s, if you remember, the Internet belonged to the egg heads in educational institutions like UCLA and Stanford Research Institute, and to the other networks that grew from them. Talk about resistance to using the Net as a sales processor; just imagine what that was like!
The same protocols that were necessary when the Net was first used as a force able to be monetized will need to be applied and reshaped for today’s world. But we all know what they are. No one likes to be USED. No one likes to get SALES CALLS AT HOME DURING DINNER. No likes to be seen as JUST a source for more sales. Yet, all of us like to buy things we need, want, and therefore we search out the best quality for the best price. That will NEVER CHANGE. The rule book for social network marketing is currently being written, but will it happen? Of course it will. I’m as certain about this as I am about the sun rising tomorrow. Why? Because money and everything you do with it has a code as sure and as predictable as that Sun I just mentioned. We just need to find out how to apply it to the EARLY DAYS of social media expansion. Those who find it first will benefit (probably big time).
I for one believe that these social networks will ultimately help to eliminate the “scoundrels” who use other people in their monetization endeavors. I’m very happy about this. New rules (good rules) will be written as the whole process of sales gets much closer to the social psychology that makes up the fabric of a world wide community.
You see in this process one of the major new rules that will emerge: Sellers will have to be much more honest, much more caring about those they sell to, and much more supportive after the sale. If they do not do this everyone will know. If we do, everyone will know. We are not use to this. We are much more comfortable to “hit and run marketing.” That’s what we have been taught. Well, unlearn all that. That’s the major reason we find the social media networks so mysterious. We are simply not use to being transparent, open and honest. Otherwise we would NOT sell or be part of some of the products and companies we represent. Think about that for a moment. I for one welcome these changes and I’m adjusting my life, products and company image accordingly.
By the way, we at AutomatedAuthoritySites.com have just finished a system that should help with this process. It will allow users to access over 450 social network sites (yes, there are that many, and more) all with a click of a button. Each of these social sites will be categorized by over 18 different categories, all of which will help the user to connect with those sites that best fit his or her social/sales goals. We will let the users of Charles group and ThemeZoom know how to secure this in about two weeks, as the first version will be free to you. You won’t find any info on this at our main site right now, but I will post the blog address soon.
The software will be available at AuthoritySocialBookmarker.com once we launch, so look for it. Oh, and to be “honest” there will be a paid for version that hits you as an up-sale. However, I do believe that the free version will be as good, if not better, than many of the current paid for versions on the market. But, as always, you will make the final decision, not me. (See, already these social rules are changing my behavior…I can’t even send out my “free” software anymore like I use to without feeling the need to alert you to the whole truth about the up-sale….sigh. Oh well, it’s all for the good.)
Thanks again Charles for being such a pioneer. I’d like to help in that process, if I can.
Tom
Tom At The Home Business Archive
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
14If you provide unique and interesting content it will convert into sales.The point is to NOT submit your own content to the social sites.Build you your profile on the social sites, vote on others content and you will see traffic and sales coming your way.
Mike Klingler
September 15th, 2008 at 6:05 am
15You definitely share your insights well. I agree with you on most of your points, but still believe that a person can gain a lot by creating incoming links through social media. The key is to balance that objective with what you’re talking about–provide value to the community first and foremost, create links second. I don’t think Google has a problem with that.
To clarify, I don’t think Google has a problem (and will not penalize) people who create value-based content for the reward of creating incoming links.
And perhaps you don’t disagree. But when I read your content I get the sense that you believe Google will penalize someone for using social locations (like squidoo, for example) to create incoming links for another location even if your Squidoo content is valuable… and I actually think Google knows this is the tradeoff for their best content providers.
In my opinion, Google just wants someone to create value based content… and if you do, you get to create incoming links. They basically pay you for your content that way (in a sense).
Just my two cents…. more than what most incoming link are worth.
Chris Lang
September 24th, 2008 at 10:26 am
16Charles, you know how I value and use social bookmarking and you are right, social bookmarking traffic does not convert. Not even into comments on the parent blog post.
What social bookmarking does do effectively is kick start your blog post and drive it to the top of Google results if the site passes link juice.
Then you can begin building links to keep it there and you also get the added value of exposure to other Bloggers in Blogsearch and on the social site itself if the demographics fit your topic.
Internet marketing blogs on Sphinn is a good case in point. Digg, who knows what those people do over there and they are so busy banning their top users Mixx is even looking good these days.
Jeffrey
October 19th, 2008 at 4:12 am
17Hi charlesheflin,
Wonderful model and enlightening for me. Now I understand why alot of traffic does not convert and that building trust and relationship and indirectly building brand will have my profit.
May I know how many emails need to be send out? I currently sitting on weekly email and occasionally broadcast thru my aweber. Is that ok to keep in touch with my customer/clients?
Kudos and thank you!
Regards
Jen @ 123bargains.com
November 19th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
18Thanks for this great educational post. It seems like social network traffic mostly does not convert as well as others, but if it’s in the right niche and target and the people following you are all interested in what you have to offer already, then they may convert better. This is probably not the case most of the time though. It is also the quality of your group and not just quantity.
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